Improved accessiblity!

Various KDE 1.-4. Improvements

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WARNING: This is just a mockup I've created with photoshop!

My mockup is just a suggestion and a 'hint' for the style developer how the accessibility could (should) be improved.

Brandybuck

15 years ago

The "scars" in the interfaces you mention have a simple cause: trying to do too much with a limited widget "palette". Many of them are the result of nesting frame widgets within frame widgets. I've tried to fix some of these in my own styles, but it's almost impossible without changing Qt itself. That does not mean it's Qt's fault, however. Qt can not anticipate every possible use of their widgets by KDE.

The best solution is to rewrite the applications to use standard widgets in traditionally boring configurations.

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Superstoned

15 years ago

if it is a problem for /some/ ppl, include it as option. for myself, I prefer the thighter look. esp for a browser, the toolbars shouldnt take much space...

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poisoned

15 years ago

full ACK ^^ ... I don't like wasted space...
if some people like it that way, maybe make it configurable...

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natas12

15 years ago

i would not call it subjective. there are some "objective" borders (especially for disabled users!) - placing the mouse and clicking on small icons and buttons requires much more coordination between hands and eyes than clicking on a big button. that's why things like "panic buttons" (e.g. on a machine) are big, round and red - you don't have to fiddle around with small buttons, you just "hit" them (well, kde should not be crowded with giant panic-buttons... ;-)). i remember looking at my mother while she tried to point at a button in word: (1) take mouse, (2) move it, (3) look at the screen - where is the arrow?, (4) move mouse again, (5) ah, there's the button, (6) click (mouse moves a bit while clicking), (7) damn! miss!, (8) move mouse again, and so on... :-)

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wjarosz

15 years ago

Yes, and this is why you can change the default icon size for all toolbars. If you do this then you won't have small buttons that are hard to aim at and click.

Furthermore, if implemented at all, this seems like it should/could be a style specific option rather than an option that overrides border sizes in all styles.

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wjarosz

15 years ago

I think this is very much a subjective matter rather than a "factual" usability improvement. I for one much prefer the small amount of space between icons and toolbars. The spacing for the address bar in your mock-ups, to me, looks especially excessive.

Just my two cents.

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lucher

15 years ago

I agree with the proposal to increase icon margins. But what about the following: Can't we do it depending on the screen resolution?

For all I know is that X increases the font sizes with a larger screen. Why should I have a large icon margin on my tiny 1024x1024 (or even less) resolution as well as on my SVGA+ monitor? That seems odd. I indeed believe that font size and icon margin, as well as icon size, are mutually related.

(Just imagine the opportunities of SVG icons: You define maybe a small/medium and large icon size, but on each resolution has each icon size the same 'physical' size, meaning 22 pix on 1024x768 and 26 pix on 1400x1050)

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Figurehead

15 years ago

I must disagree, please analyse your own cool Crystal-Classic Mozilla Skin, your margins are 5px large, thats more like my 4px. This large margins of 5px is that what makes your skin looking so aesthetical and 'cheerful'.

http://kde-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&file=5697-1.png&name=Crystal-Classic

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Zardos

15 years ago

I absolutly agree! We are taking about 4 Pixels! - Which really add visual pleasure! I'm using a 1024x768 resolution and don't want wasted screenspace to. But in this case I would really prefer a LITLE BIT more space between the icons. I try to get screenspace by decluttering / combing all tollbars into one.

All other modifications are great, too! And I really wish KDE would have a more CLEAN an more flat interface without all this shadows/artefacts/many 3d-borders/...

I really don't like the nervouse look of KDE. Plastik, helped a lot, btw.

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imr

15 years ago

I agree.
I take a lot of time to find styles that waste the least pixel possible. And it's not that easy.
Also, not everyone has a big desktop or the eyes healthy enough to have small fonts.
It can make a lot of pixels in the ends.

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shm

15 years ago

also be improved by sane keyboard focusing, something KDE doesn't have.

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fab

15 years ago

and I think you should contact the Usability or accessibility teams.

Check the mailinglists ...

Fab

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